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juanita from michigan. caller: i am so glad that the conversation is opening up to a broader area than just guns. this is not the first time this tragedy has happened. the entertainment and mental health, those areas, they are being explored. one that i think is kind of weary -- kind of a directly related to it, that explains this act -- this epidemic, that we are seeing in terms of violence, it is possibly related to the drugs that we take. the commercials on television in -- it is so disconcerting, the side effects. almost all the time, the madison -- flue medicine, bizarre behavior, dreams. all of these things alter our mental and psychological -- had a friend who is taking an antidepressant medicine years ago, and she got so frightened because of how it made her just not care about anything. it scared her so much that she really stopped. could she have hurt her children? i think she felt that she could have. these drugs -- to take on the drug industry, we are creating zombies. i think it was interesting
juanita from michigan. caller: i am so glad that the conversation is opening up to a broader area than just guns. this is not the first time this tragedy has happened. the entertainment and mental health, those areas, they are being explored. one that i think is kind of weary -- kind of a directly related to it, that explains this act -- this epidemic, that we are seeing in terms of violence, it is possibly related to the drugs that we take. the commercials on television in -- it is so...
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here you are on the floor of the michigan legislature. let's hear what you said. >> there will be blood. there will be repercussions. we know that we've got a hundred represented folks intended to walk in saying i'm not going to pay dues anymore. >> there will be blood. what are we to take from that? there will be blood. was that a premonition? were you suspecting it would get this violent? >> the full seven-minute video kind of leads up to this point to state that this is one of the most important and divisive issues that the michigan house of representatives could have taken up. i personally do not condone violence. i do not -- >> what did you mean by blood? i'm sorry. just tell me that world. what came to mind for you? >> what came to mind for me is if you don't learn from history, you're bound to repeat the mistakes of history. and in the speech that i gave, i talked about the battle of the overpass. we snow thknow when we have two ferociously battling on the right to work, the right to unionize, the polar of cysts on this issue, what
here you are on the floor of the michigan legislature. let's hear what you said. >> there will be blood. there will be repercussions. we know that we've got a hundred represented folks intended to walk in saying i'm not going to pay dues anymore. >> there will be blood. what are we to take from that? there will be blood. was that a premonition? were you suspecting it would get this violent? >> the full seven-minute video kind of leads up to this point to state that this is one...
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[ laughter ] >> dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes than, busting disgusting! if you want to win the rap battle-of-got to put some effort into it! you had one job at one factory. wouldn't you seize every benefit you could? yo! ♪ palms sweaty, knees weak, building chevys. ♪ ♪ like the volt, you plug it in and you win ecologically, because if it were an actual race, you would not ♪ ♪ actually, you have to go for the union or robots are going to take away our jobs ♪ ♪ or to the chinese kids with the tiny hands the work will go ♪ ♪ this opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo ♪ [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just have to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know militar
[ laughter ] >> dude, you're from michigan, detroit, "8 mile." you've got to come up with better rhymes than, busting disgusting! if you want to win the rap battle-of-got to put some effort into it! you had one job at one factory. wouldn't you seize every benefit you could? yo! ♪ palms sweaty, knees weak, building chevys. ♪ ♪ like the volt, you plug it in and you win ecologically, because if it were an actual race, you would not ♪ ♪ actually, you have to go for the...
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this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for "the washington post." ruth, this whole issue in the midwest, this used to be most likely in the southern states, but this really is moving, and we're seeing a real decline in union household membership about half what it was 40 years ago. it used to be 24%. now it's 11.8%. >> unions are reeling, and the more states that enact measures like this, the more unions will be reeling. their penetration, the private sector is something like 7% of the private sector work force is unionized, and i have to say -- i don't use words like this very often, i thought some of
this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for...
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we want a michigan for everybody. and i think you see the turnout today, you hear the reaction around the state of michigan, people don't want the right-wing agenda that's being passed in this lame duck. >> reporter: here's my question. the argument that the governor makes and republicans here and supporters of this is why not give individual workers a choice to join the union if they want to join the union. wouldn't it make you and the leaders of the unions present a case to be part of it? why not give them that choice? >> they already have that choice. again, the right wing doesn't put the honest facts out there. under u.s. labor law, people have a choice -- >> reporter: that's true, but if you work on the line at ford or gw -- or gm, you have to pay in a large percentage of those union dues. that's the way it works. >> you don't have to be a union member. but you have to pay your fair share. just like if you live in a community, you pay for your fair share of the road cleaning, of the police, of the fire. people wh
we want a michigan for everybody. and i think you see the turnout today, you hear the reaction around the state of michigan, people don't want the right-wing agenda that's being passed in this lame duck. >> reporter: here's my question. the argument that the governor makes and republicans here and supporters of this is why not give individual workers a choice to join the union if they want to join the union. wouldn't it make you and the leaders of the unions present a case to be part of...
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passing legislation this week making michigan the 24th right to work state, the state of michigan the birthplace of the u.a.w. >> clayton: that's right, mike. the landmark decision banning unions to force workers to join a union. the man you're looking at it the mackinac center, vincent. >> good to be on. >> clayton: does it set a precedence for unions? we're 24 states not a majority yet, but michigan, the birthplace of the labor movement there, labor union, is this setting a precedent for the the death of unions? >> i don't know if it's the death of unions, it's actually going to make unions stronger. it may be the start of the end of-- when you have like you said the birth the of the awe with, the fifth highest union membership in the country, traditionally considered a union strong hold giving workers the freedom to choose whether or not to join the union and still keep their jobs? it's historic after indiana did it and now michigan, some of the other midwestern states are going to have to take note if i want to be competitive i may have to give workers the same freedom. and may be
passing legislation this week making michigan the 24th right to work state, the state of michigan the birthplace of the u.a.w. >> clayton: that's right, mike. the landmark decision banning unions to force workers to join a union. the man you're looking at it the mackinac center, vincent. >> good to be on. >> clayton: does it set a precedence for unions? we're 24 states not a majority yet, but michigan, the birthplace of the labor movement there, labor union, is this setting a...
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all quiet at the michigan state c capitol behind me. governor rick sniyder expected o sign this bill tomorrow, you can expect thousands of protesters between now and team it would ban contracts that require workers to join a union. to pay union dues. those in favor of the bill say what it would do is help the economy by saving jobs, bringing more work to michigan. even raising salaries by not forcing union dues on workers. those against the bill say that those benefits that they have now, those jobs that they have now, could take a major hit. obviously, huge political implications and we'll be watching to see how the action unfolds. >> allison kosik in lansing, michigan. where we expect huge protests over the next few days. >>> else where after taking a lot of heat for a hateful rap against u.s. soldiers, psy with the hit gangam style was spotted shaking hands with president obama over the weekend. psy performed at an event, and he apologized for the concert where he rapped with slowly and painfully killing u.s. military members and the
all quiet at the michigan state c capitol behind me. governor rick sniyder expected o sign this bill tomorrow, you can expect thousands of protesters between now and team it would ban contracts that require workers to join a union. to pay union dues. those in favor of the bill say what it would do is help the economy by saving jobs, bringing more work to michigan. even raising salaries by not forcing union dues on workers. those against the bill say that those benefits that they have now, those...
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university of michigan at deer born. now, imagine what would have happened if somebody had spent taxpayer money to build a nativity scene on the campus? you would have gone crazy. it's not just that there is an anti-christian bias in the country, which i think, you know, generally there is, i think the fact that there is a double standard that's even more troubling. >> who is coming up on your show tonight? >> gabby douglas, olympic gold medalist, we also have richard marks, the singer who will be doing a christmas song for us. and then we also have greg gutfeld because we are willing to reach out there and go deep. >> holiday spirit. randy forbes, children's miracle network from virginia will also be with us. >> gutfeld's book by the way "new york times" best seller. >> yeah. >> gutfeld try to do front hand springs with gabby douglas? >> no. i don't want to see that and i don't want to pay the emergency room. >> governor huckabee great to see you have. >> a great show, governor. >> coming up on the show, is it time to s
university of michigan at deer born. now, imagine what would have happened if somebody had spent taxpayer money to build a nativity scene on the campus? you would have gone crazy. it's not just that there is an anti-christian bias in the country, which i think, you know, generally there is, i think the fact that there is a double standard that's even more troubling. >> who is coming up on your show tonight? >> gabby douglas, olympic gold medalist, we also have richard marks, the...
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>>guest: why would the president spent yesterday in michigan railing against something that the michigan legislature is going to do when we are facing a few days before going over the cliff? i don't get it. unless the president things he will gain in the short temperature -- term politically by going over the cliff but long term historians put the blame on the president of the up. it may look like a gain short term, but in the long run, is that really helpful to the president's reputation in 20 or 30 years they could not get a deal and push the country into another recession or a short-term recession? >> harry reid, the majority leader, would say very unlikely we would have a deal by christmas, ostensibly we are running out of days on the calendar. if that is the case and he quibbles that the republicans have not come up with specifics, are you against running to the clinton rates or are you okay where that if it avoids the hoops of looking for like revenue? >>guest: i am in favor of anything that gets an agreement. it seems to me, why are we focusing on that narrow part of this entire s
>>guest: why would the president spent yesterday in michigan railing against something that the michigan legislature is going to do when we are facing a few days before going over the cliff? i don't get it. unless the president things he will gain in the short temperature -- term politically by going over the cliff but long term historians put the blame on the president of the up. it may look like a gain short term, but in the long run, is that really helpful to the president's reputation...
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hundreds of union workers responding to michigan's republican controlled legislature's push to make michigan the 24th right to work state. the vote takes place tuesday. governor snyder is now backing the plan. >> this is solely focused on their relationship. shouldn't the the opportunity to say they want to be long or not. second piece is this will be good for economic development for more p and better jobs coming to michigan. >> the union workers agree with the governor they argue michigan was built on unions. they claim the gop majority state legislature is making an attack on the middle class. >> on tuesday it's important because they are going to try to reconcile the bills. the governor who said he didn't want the legislation now says he is going to sign it. so it's an attack on working families and we are going to be there and not stand for it. >> they are still standing for it because over the weekend union organizers continue to prepare their numbers for take to go the streets this week staging demonstrations against the measure. if the vote goes through they say it will hurt organize
hundreds of union workers responding to michigan's republican controlled legislature's push to make michigan the 24th right to work state. the vote takes place tuesday. governor snyder is now backing the plan. >> this is solely focused on their relationship. shouldn't the the opportunity to say they want to be long or not. second piece is this will be good for economic development for more p and better jobs coming to michigan. >> the union workers agree with the governor they argue...
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now michigan will become the 24th right to work state. alex perez, abc news, lansing, michigan. >>> and we have another milestone tonight for american taxpayers. perhaps the most infamous bailout of the whole financial collapse was the rescue of corporate giant aig. taxpayers, you may remember, poured $182 billion into the company to keep it afloat. but today, the u.s. treasury sold its last share of aig stock. and it turns out, taxpayers made a profit of $22.7 billion. and today, that good news sent a jolt across wall street. the dow closing up, the fifth straight day of gains. the longest rally since march. >>> we want to show you an image that came into our news room today. imagine seeing this through your front windshield. it was the scene on an interstate highway in west virginia today. a massive gas line explosion, flames 75 feet high. so intense firefighters couldn't even approach. eye witnesses say it sounded like a boeing 757. the fire raging for an hour, completely destroying four homes, damaging five others and leaving two peop
now michigan will become the 24th right to work state. alex perez, abc news, lansing, michigan. >>> and we have another milestone tonight for american taxpayers. perhaps the most infamous bailout of the whole financial collapse was the rescue of corporate giant aig. taxpayers, you may remember, poured $182 billion into the company to keep it afloat. but today, the u.s. treasury sold its last share of aig stock. and it turns out, taxpayers made a profit of $22.7 billion. and today, that...
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after the break cities like detroit michigan bore the brunt of the republican prasher of the nation's financial industry five years later is no way past time for the federal government to step up and help cities like detroit get back on their feet. here as mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that we americans call a donor. i'm sorry i'm just a guy here's an awful lot of money for you sir are you know what that is my other terror cells right now want to give us a defeat terrorism the only poll the christian. can you believe it's. going to put you to distract us from what you and i should care about because there are profit driven industry that's sensationalistic garbage because that breaking news i'm having martin and we're going to break that. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so silly you think you understand it. and then you. see some other part of it and realized everything. welcome to the big picture. in screwed news the city of detroit is asking president obama for some help this week detroit city councilwoman joanne watson called for a financial
after the break cities like detroit michigan bore the brunt of the republican prasher of the nation's financial industry five years later is no way past time for the federal government to step up and help cities like detroit get back on their feet. here as mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that we americans call a donor. i'm sorry i'm just a guy here's an awful lot of money for you sir are you know what that is my other terror cells right now want to give us a defeat...
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obama the road to michigan he was trying to sell his tax hike proposal. he claimed michigan's law that gives workers the right to choose whether or not they want to be long to a union is about politics not economics. listen to this. >> we have to say this. what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your rights to better bargains. >> so-called right to work laws they don't have to do with economics they have everything to do with politics. what they are really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. we don't want a race to the bottom. we want a race to the top. we -- (applause) >> america is not going to compete based on low skill, low wage, no worker's rights. we have to get past this whole situation where we manufacturer crises because of politics. >> despite what the president said the new right to work law does include collective bargaining rights. while preached the right to workers he says american people show compassion. speaker boehner while he fights to keep america from plunging off the fiscal cliff. >> if you have an
obama the road to michigan he was trying to sell his tax hike proposal. he claimed michigan's law that gives workers the right to choose whether or not they want to be long to a union is about politics not economics. listen to this. >> we have to say this. what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your rights to better bargains. >> so-called right to work laws they don't have to do with economics they have everything to do with politics. what they are really talking about is...
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the michigan polls show this is a winner for people who with unions. the governors ratings are very mediocre. majority say that after they hear both sides, they are against right to work and 80% say this is not -- this shouldn't be a priority at all. actually, more say they're going to hold it against legislators for voting for it than reward them for it. >> we know what we will be talking about in 2014 in the midwest. we have that clear. we know what this will be about. >> we already had a debate about this early in the year. scott walker -- >> he sort of -- >> it's hard to say the union people will have to be worried right now. >> it does feel as if when this moves, it moves. the question is, can they calibrate on another policy. we asked in the last 100 years how many presidents were elected after serving in the house, but not in the senate. there's just one. president george h.w. bush was a congressman for texas, unsuccessful candidate for the united states senate. then of course he was u.n. ambassador, cia director and vice president before he was
the michigan polls show this is a winner for people who with unions. the governors ratings are very mediocre. majority say that after they hear both sides, they are against right to work and 80% say this is not -- this shouldn't be a priority at all. actually, more say they're going to hold it against legislators for voting for it than reward them for it. >> we know what we will be talking about in 2014 in the midwest. we have that clear. we know what this will be about. >> we...
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if he's right, and in the meantime, michigan trying to be the 24th state with right-to-work laws, and unions are not happy about it expressing their frustration and how it is going to alienate that state's republican governor from unions. wisconsin ring a bell? a top fundraiser for president obama helped him get re-elected on how that's affecting this entire mood and tone, even here in washington for maybe years out after this. ♪ neil: michigan en route to be another wednesday? could be just as devicive and could be the 24 #th right to work state, but that created enormous tensions prompting the president the united states to visit saying he's against this measure that governor rick snyder supports, and both branches of republican legislature have already passed. that is to give workers the choice whether they want to be a union or not. union members say it is not that simple, that this is really a trojan horse for dismantling them. don, the adviser to the president of the united states had a big fundraiser for the president helping get him re-elected. don, you're an entrepreneur, a
if he's right, and in the meantime, michigan trying to be the 24th state with right-to-work laws, and unions are not happy about it expressing their frustration and how it is going to alienate that state's republican governor from unions. wisconsin ring a bell? a top fundraiser for president obama helped him get re-elected on how that's affecting this entire mood and tone, even here in washington for maybe years out after this. ♪ neil: michigan en route to be another wednesday? could be just...
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take you there live to michigan for the latest. >>> signs of hope. are president obama and speaker boehner about to give birth to a two-party fiscal cliff deal? how both sides are trying to meet in the sensible center. >>> and history making newlyweds. robbie perry and paris prince are the first male couple to be celebrated four their wedding in "jet" magazine's famous love section. the men join me on their history making moment and breaking stereotypes. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. look this isn't my first christmas. these deals all seem great at the time... but later... [ shirt ] merry christmas, everybody! not so much. ho ho ho! this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. it doesn't matter which
take you there live to michigan for the latest. >>> signs of hope. are president obama and speaker boehner about to give birth to a two-party fiscal cliff deal? how both sides are trying to meet in the sensible center. >>> and history making newlyweds. robbie perry and paris prince are the first male couple to be celebrated four their wedding in "jet" magazine's famous love section. the men join me on their history making moment and breaking stereotypes. can your...
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it's about the foworkers of michigan. they work hard to provide for their families and grow our great state. it's clear they are focused on politics. we're focused on the hard-working men and women who make our state so great. >> what i gather from news reports -- tell me if this isn't right. the teachers union is boycotting and starting to close schools tomorrow in protest. that sort of thing happens, they ought to get fired. first of all, is it true? are they going to boycott school days and hurt the kids? >> we are seeing kids closed because teachers are calling in. it's unfortunate. they need to put kids first. we need to put our future first. that's what the law does. if we get to the debate on the issue, we're asking to give workers the choice so they can make the decision about which organizations they want to join and which they don't want to join. unfortunately a lot of politics get drug in. the issue gets put aside. unfortunately politics demonstrates -- just takes over the issue. we're not going to let it happe
it's about the foworkers of michigan. they work hard to provide for their families and grow our great state. it's clear they are focused on politics. we're focused on the hard-working men and women who make our state so great. >> what i gather from news reports -- tell me if this isn't right. the teachers union is boycotting and starting to close schools tomorrow in protest. that sort of thing happens, they ought to get fired. first of all, is it true? are they going to boycott school...
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michigan workers get up every day to literally build, grow and make michigan a fantastic state. they deserve much better respect than that. >> brian: there was a referendum on the ballot to make michigan a permanent union state. how did that go? >> it was overwhelmingly rejected by the voters of our state. it was an overreach and i think the voters spoke very clearly against putting that in our state constitution. >> brian: how do you defuse the anger, if the majority of people are in your camp on this, how do you defuse the anger before the 10 to 15 at least that are upset and the thousands of school teachers that didn't go to work on tuesday in protest? >> as we saw, again, much of those protesters were brought if from out of state. what i think we need to do is focus on michigan's workers. i think we need to focus now, the unions will remain free to make their case. but now michigan workers will become free to make their choice. and ultimately i think this is about opportunity. this is about new jobs and better careers for michigan workers. michigan's brightest days are in fr
michigan workers get up every day to literally build, grow and make michigan a fantastic state. they deserve much better respect than that. >> brian: there was a referendum on the ballot to make michigan a permanent union state. how did that go? >> it was overwhelmingly rejected by the voters of our state. it was an overreach and i think the voters spoke very clearly against putting that in our state constitution. >> brian: how do you defuse the anger, if the majority of...
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. >>> plus, michigan's right to work, a cosmic close shave and an update for you on that little guy, the ikea monkey in canada. >>> but first, good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. and the hustle and bustle of the holiday season took a terrifying turn in portland, oregon, yesterday, when a masked gunman stormed into a busy shopping mall and opened fire, killing two people, injuring another before apparently turning the gun on himself. nbc's kirk gregory has the chilling details. >> reporter: a day of holiday shopping turned into a horrific afternoon of terror when a gunman opened fire inside a crowded suburban portland mall. >> we started receiving calls at 3:30, multiple 911 calls. we responded quickly. >> reporter: several store employees locked themselves in break rooms and bathrooms until police could arrive. >> many people locked in place, many people ran. those are the two most appropriate things to do in these circumstances. >> reporter: shaken family members waited anxiously for news as police worked to secure the mall and search for victims. >> i just want to hug her and i
. >>> plus, michigan's right to work, a cosmic close shave and an update for you on that little guy, the ikea monkey in canada. >>> but first, good morning, everyone. i'm lynn berry. and the hustle and bustle of the holiday season took a terrifying turn in portland, oregon, yesterday, when a masked gunman stormed into a busy shopping mall and opened fire, killing two people, injuring another before apparently turning the gun on himself. nbc's kirk gregory has the chilling...
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michigan is now the 24th state to did so. supporters say it will bring more jobs to the state but opponents including president obama are adamant the law is a political attack against unions. >>> in this economy people are struggling to find work but would you believe a bay area restaurant is struggling to find workers? cbs 5 reporter cate caugiran is in emeryville now. they have been holding job fairs. >> we're outside the construction site of that new restaurant also across the street from a job fair which started a few moments ago. as you can see by our little bear friend here. normally restaurant leaders of the black bear diner say they have lines around the block but as you can see, that isn't the case. >> we have very small turnout in comparison to our other job fairs. and we were a bit shocked. that's why we just were left dumbfounded. >> reporter: this is the site of the new black bear diner set to open next month. now the restaurant's concern is, will they have enough people to staff it? >> in comparison when we had
michigan is now the 24th state to did so. supporters say it will bring more jobs to the state but opponents including president obama are adamant the law is a political attack against unions. >>> in this economy people are struggling to find work but would you believe a bay area restaurant is struggling to find workers? cbs 5 reporter cate caugiran is in emeryville now. they have been holding job fairs. >> we're outside the construction site of that new restaurant also across the...
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this was in the lansing, michigan. the republican dominated legislature passing laws restricting the unions of their power to requiring them to pay dues. his state is now the 24th to adopt the right to work law. grant? if . >> this is big. if your work place is unionized? the cannot opt out. you cannot keeping your job if you want to not to join the union. michigan is known as the 24th state. what is significant is that the other states are not as heavily industrialized as michigan. michigan has plenty of industry and it is heav heav-unionized. >> there are 50-the first right to work has created a firestorm. (chanting 'union) union members invade the michigan state house in lansing. as the republican dominated legislature passes laws stripping unions of their power to require michigan's governor quickly signed the legislation. his state is now the 24th to adopt what are calledhere in california, if your workplace is unionized, you can't opt out of joining the union. you can't keep your job without paying dues. but in m
this was in the lansing, michigan. the republican dominated legislature passing laws restricting the unions of their power to requiring them to pay dues. his state is now the 24th to adopt the right to work law. grant? if . >> this is big. if your work place is unionized? the cannot opt out. you cannot keeping your job if you want to not to join the union. michigan is known as the 24th state. what is significant is that the other states are not as heavily industrialized as michigan....
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alisyn: start this hour in michigan. fox's mike tobin is at the statehouse among proterse still outside. he joins us live. it looks notably quiet this hour, mike. what is happening. >> reporter: an update on the legislation, allison. one of the bills related to public employees is on the way to the governor's desk where the governor says will sign it. another bill related to private sectors employees was approved by the senate but hung up in a bit of procedure called reviseal. looks like that will come back into the chambers again tomorrow. a review, pardon me. as far as what's going on behind me the numbers have dwindled quite a bit. a lot of demonstrators gone across the street to the romney building where the governor's office is. they're banging drums. if you see the white swath on the ground behind us that is the tent operated by the group, americans for prosperity. the conservative organization linked to the coke brothers. an individual named scott was there when it was torn down. >> they rushed our chant. chanting
alisyn: start this hour in michigan. fox's mike tobin is at the statehouse among proterse still outside. he joins us live. it looks notably quiet this hour, mike. what is happening. >> reporter: an update on the legislation, allison. one of the bills related to public employees is on the way to the governor's desk where the governor says will sign it. another bill related to private sectors employees was approved by the senate but hung up in a bit of procedure called reviseal. looks like...
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>> take a look at michigan, seen as the center of the labor movement. even the top four union members states could be at risk. at the top you have new york with one in four workers a union member, followed by alaska, hawaii and washington. the number you see on the screen right here, which is the advocacy money, that could be what's changing these traditional union states. according to the nation, we look at those numbers from 2008 to 2011, right to work money was $18 million. pro-union, just $2 million. >> thanks so much. always good to see you. that does it for me. let's go to thomas roberts. >>> good morning, everybody. coming up, we're also touching on the right to work debate. we will talk with a republican chair with the seiu who also leads a union in michigan. we will talk about big labor's plans to fight back in the wake of that devastating setback yesterday in michigan. >>> plus, walking a mile in speaker john boehner's shoes. former speaker denney hastert joining me about boehner's dance with the president on the edge of the fiscal cliff. >>>
>> take a look at michigan, seen as the center of the labor movement. even the top four union members states could be at risk. at the top you have new york with one in four workers a union member, followed by alaska, hawaii and washington. the number you see on the screen right here, which is the advocacy money, that could be what's changing these traditional union states. according to the nation, we look at those numbers from 2008 to 2011, right to work money was $18 million. pro-union,...
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that's the idea that built michigan. that's the idea that is at the heart of the economic plan i've been talking about all year long on the campaign trail. i want to give more americans the chance to earn the skills, the businesses they're looking for right now. and give our kids the kind of education they need to succeed in the 21st century. i want to make sure america leads the world in research and technology, and clean energy. i want to put people back to work, rebuilding our roads and our bridges and our schools. that's how we grow an economy. i want us to bring down our deficits but i want to do it in a balanced, responsible way. and i want to reward -- i want -- businesses and manufacturers like detroit diesel, right here, creating jobs, right here, in redford, right here in michigan, right here in the united states of america. that's where we need to go. that's the country we need to build. and when it comes to bringing up manufacturing back to america, that's why i'm here today. since 1938, detroit diesel has be
that's the idea that built michigan. that's the idea that is at the heart of the economic plan i've been talking about all year long on the campaign trail. i want to give more americans the chance to earn the skills, the businesses they're looking for right now. and give our kids the kind of education they need to succeed in the 21st century. i want to make sure america leads the world in research and technology, and clean energy. i want to put people back to work, rebuilding our roads and our...
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if you ask the people in michigan a year or two ago would michigan be right to work, said would never happen in our state but it is happening. as more states come right-to-work, isolated states have forced unionism and it will not work. i was making point, remember the famous incident about a year or two ago when boeing moved their facility out of washington state to south carolina and there was all this opposition to doing that. one of the reasons boeing moved to south carolina with that big plant, hundreds of workers was because south carolina is right-to-work state. bill: instead of washington where they were going to make the dreamliner, 787 is union. we saw the fight that ensued after that. after watching pictures in michigan, steve, if you're a politician, you have to have a strong spine to push this through. >> you do. bill: how many do? >> no doubt about it. no doubt about it. by the way i want to tip my hat to the people in the legislature in michigan who stood up to the kind of union thugs who were using violence as a way to prevent this. earlier on fox speaker of the house
if you ask the people in michigan a year or two ago would michigan be right to work, said would never happen in our state but it is happening. as more states come right-to-work, isolated states have forced unionism and it will not work. i was making point, remember the famous incident about a year or two ago when boeing moved their facility out of washington state to south carolina and there was all this opposition to doing that. one of the reasons boeing moved to south carolina with that big...
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michigan, parts of indiana, blowing, drifting snow, wind gusts on the shores much lake michigan over 0 mil50 miles an . imagine the waves. all rain from trendon up through bridgeport. some heavy at times. sleet mixing in and snow across parts of the canadian border, winds across a large swath. wind gusting to 50 miles per hour, enough to do some damage. snow totals expected in the next 48 hours or so. along the mountains and across the east side of the great lakes, mostly rain today. looking ahead toward next week. a chance of snow after christmas. let's get through today. >> exactly. my strategy. let's get through today, worry about it when we're there. >>> the wind and rain so powerful in alabama, they uprooted a mercedes dealership's massive billboard. that's the billboard right there. send it crashing into an suv. 50 cars damaged. strong winds flipped some of the cars and downed power lines and debris damaged other cars as well. >>> other stories to talk about this morning. good morning to up. >> thank you, soledad. 2 1/2 hours from now, everything will stop in connecticut and in
michigan, parts of indiana, blowing, drifting snow, wind gusts on the shores much lake michigan over 0 mil50 miles an . imagine the waves. all rain from trendon up through bridgeport. some heavy at times. sleet mixing in and snow across parts of the canadian border, winds across a large swath. wind gusting to 50 miles per hour, enough to do some damage. snow totals expected in the next 48 hours or so. along the mountains and across the east side of the great lakes, mostly rain today. looking...
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host: here is a story out of michigan. "connecticut gun laws allow permit holders to have handguns in schools but fall short of measures approved by michigan lawmakers. they must also give the gun owner permission." host: texas, san antonio, good morning. caller: my spin on the guns is that we have got to get rid of the 2, 2, 3, and the high- powered rifles. i know that i spent 27 years there and i know the difference. -- in the military and i know the difference. the speed that the bullet hits your shoulder, they would just be wounded. these band-16's, you could hit them in the hand. -- m-16's. the speed of the bullet just explodes. i would estimate that even if the guy was using the old semi- automatic, people would be killed. -- half the people would be killed. i know it is not much, but if we could just get away with the assault rifles, it would hold down the massacres, like what happened in the school. only half would have been killed. from my knowledge of weapons over 27 years, it is different. you hear that a person
host: here is a story out of michigan. "connecticut gun laws allow permit holders to have handguns in schools but fall short of measures approved by michigan lawmakers. they must also give the gun owner permission." host: texas, san antonio, good morning. caller: my spin on the guns is that we have got to get rid of the 2, 2, 3, and the high- powered rifles. i know that i spent 27 years there and i know the difference. -- in the military and i know the difference. the speed that the...
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ten years of reports from the michigan state police showing that very responsible people. we are not the ones to worry about, obviously. because we are the law-abiding folks. >> soledad, if i can break in. >> i'm going to let you hop, in mark. hold on one second, steve. go ahead, we'll give you the final word tonight. >> here's what the national rifle association is doing. we're in fact not worried about people like steve. but please understand that in a number of states in this country, you don't have to have -- you don't have to pass any test, you don't have to know anything about a gun, you don't have to have a background check to carry a concealed weapon. if the nra got its way it would pass its top federal priority which would allow people who could get a permit from any state in the country or didn't have to have a permit, or happen to live in states that hand them out like candy, and they would be able to use that permit to carry a concealed weapon in any city, in any community, in any place in the united states, including new york city and times square, where we ac
ten years of reports from the michigan state police showing that very responsible people. we are not the ones to worry about, obviously. because we are the law-abiding folks. >> soledad, if i can break in. >> i'm going to let you hop, in mark. hold on one second, steve. go ahead, we'll give you the final word tonight. >> here's what the national rifle association is doing. we're in fact not worried about people like steve. but please understand that in a number of states in...
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unemployment in michigan is 9%. you know, across the country, we've got the number earlier today 7.7%. you could argue the second number you see on the screen now. detroit's unemployment rate, 18.9%. >> right. bill: detroit's population is at its lowest level in more than 100 years. that is really a story you could follow throughout the entire rust belt. detroit population last year, 706,000. you know what it was in 1950? 1.8 million. rick snyder is trying to do try to draw some of this business back here and get numbers back up. matt that goes to the point you were making there. that union worker we just heard, the woman, african-american woman, what this means you can work alongside a union member and not pay union dues and still get the benefits of the union. now, steve, is she right? >> no, she's wrong. look, i think it is in the first amendment of our constitution says the right of association, right? you have the right to associate with a union if you want to but, right of association also means you have the r
unemployment in michigan is 9%. you know, across the country, we've got the number earlier today 7.7%. you could argue the second number you see on the screen now. detroit's unemployment rate, 18.9%. >> right. bill: detroit's population is at its lowest level in more than 100 years. that is really a story you could follow throughout the entire rust belt. detroit population last year, 706,000. you know what it was in 1950? 1.8 million. rick snyder is trying to do try to draw some of this...
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if governor snyder signs this bill in michigan as expected, michigan would be the most heavily unionized right to work state in the country. alison kosik, describe what's happening now. demonstrators are starting to gather outside of the capitol. are they going to be allowed inside as this historic legislation is passed? >> reporter: they are inside right now as well as outside, so behind me you've got several hundred protesters that began arriving, even before daylight, with their signs, some inflatable rafts, often a symbol of union protests, sitting on the lawn outside here and inside, yes, there are protesters inside, especially right where the gallery is, right where the house floor is, because they want to watch the house in action when it begins in session at 10:00 a.m. in about an hour, so they'll be able to watch the legislative process at work. but there's a huge spillover crowd inside the capitol building, a huge crowd, a couple hundred, in each rotunda on three floors chanting, you can hear their voices inside the capital, once you walk in, you can hear their voices reverb ra
if governor snyder signs this bill in michigan as expected, michigan would be the most heavily unionized right to work state in the country. alison kosik, describe what's happening now. demonstrators are starting to gather outside of the capitol. are they going to be allowed inside as this historic legislation is passed? >> reporter: they are inside right now as well as outside, so behind me you've got several hundred protesters that began arriving, even before daylight, with their signs,...
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steve hartman "on the road" in midland, michigan. >> and that's the "cbs evening news." i'll see you sunday on "60 minutes." for all of us at cbs news all around the world, good night. i'm allen martin. i'm allen martin. california's unemployment re ha the >> your realtime captioner: linda marie macdonald. >>> i'm juliette goodrich. >> i'm allen martin. california's unemployment rate has not been this good since the recession began four years ago. but are the numbers truly indicative of a rebounded? there are a lot of factors that go into the single-digit jobless rate. cbs 5 reporter grace lee with why it may be too quick to say we have finally turned the corner. >> reporter: juliette, our state still has the third worst unemployment rate in the nation. we're well above the national rate. so we spoke with a former director of the state's labor department who says that the unemployment rate is really just one piece of the overall economic picture and it may look better than it actually is. >> i think the rate it's important but it means less and less of indicating what's
steve hartman "on the road" in midland, michigan. >> and that's the "cbs evening news." i'll see you sunday on "60 minutes." for all of us at cbs news all around the world, good night. i'm allen martin. i'm allen martin. california's unemployment re ha the >> your realtime captioner: linda marie macdonald. >>> i'm juliette goodrich. >> i'm allen martin. california's unemployment rate has not been this good since the recession began four...
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we'll take you back to michigan as we hear more. obviously a lot of people on both sides debating this today. rick: we're all over that important story. we're also following new developments out of north korea and that country's plan to test a long range rocket. the launch was scheduled to happen any day now. north korea dismantling the rocket to take it off the lawn of pad. is the north caving in to international pressure or could this mean something else entirely. >>> also a kansas family murdered in their homes. the year, 1959. that story brought to live in the chilling crime book. "in cold blood." clues in florida to another family murdered in florida may be tied it this. dr. michael baden looking at brand new developments in a old case. when we come right back. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ]
we'll take you back to michigan as we hear more. obviously a lot of people on both sides debating this today. rick: we're all over that important story. we're also following new developments out of north korea and that country's plan to test a long range rocket. the launch was scheduled to happen any day now. north korea dismantling the rocket to take it off the lawn of pad. is the north caving in to international pressure or could this mean something else entirely. >>> also a kansas...
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the fight now has moved to michigan. they are angry over the expect expected passage of a new law demanding dues from workers. that has them angry. happy monday, everybody. bill: how was the weekend. martha: weekend was good. it was like we got the tree up. it barely fits in the living room but that's okay. bill: michigan workers back to work, tomorrow, tuesday, the first order of business is the final votes on the law and off to the governor's desk. he has said he will sign it into law but critics day it's an assault on workers rights. have a listen here. >> this legislation isn't about anything except an attack on workers' rights and roll people back from what we fought for for generations. >> i view this as solving and issue for michigan workers. this is about giving workers choice. we have hard workers in michigan. martha: here we go. john fund is national affairs columnist for the national review. welcome. good morning to you. it's very interesting when you watch what some would call market forces, changing the dyna
the fight now has moved to michigan. they are angry over the expect expected passage of a new law demanding dues from workers. that has them angry. happy monday, everybody. bill: how was the weekend. martha: weekend was good. it was like we got the tree up. it barely fits in the living room but that's okay. bill: michigan workers back to work, tomorrow, tuesday, the first order of business is the final votes on the law and off to the governor's desk. he has said he will sign it into law but...
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. >>> and this comes to us from wdiv in detroit, michigan. nearby browns township, a good samaritan risks his life to save a stranded dog. the brave man leaps into action when he sees the dog stuck in lake erie. his rescue floundered when he was not able to rescue the dog. thank goodness rescuers were able to get a boat and get to the dog and the human. >> especially when a human is sitting in the frigid cold water to save the dog. >> i'm mara schiavocampo and this is "early today." just your first stop of the day today on your nbc station. just as the region gets over one storm, another strong winter weather system is on the way. we're tracking the forecast that ruin some weekend plans. good morning, i'm aaron gilchrist. >>> i'm erika gonzalez in for eun yang. welcome to friday, december 28, 2012. we'll get to that forecast in just a moment. but first, new this morning, the springfield interchange is back open after a deadly crash on the beltway. three people died when a pickup truck slammed into a tractor-trailer on the ramp from the beltwa
. >>> and this comes to us from wdiv in detroit, michigan. nearby browns township, a good samaritan risks his life to save a stranded dog. the brave man leaps into action when he sees the dog stuck in lake erie. his rescue floundered when he was not able to rescue the dog. thank goodness rescuers were able to get a boat and get to the dog and the human. >> especially when a human is sitting in the frigid cold water to save the dog. >> i'm mara schiavocampo and this is...
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the michigan republican congressman who is here to say what his party shouldn't do. congressman, your fear came on taxes. don't do it. >>guest: given the deals we are talking abouts we should not cave on taxes when the amount of spending cuts over 10 years are a drop in the bucket. >>neil: so, when you lost the committee leadership assignment, did that opposition play into that? did speaker boehner say if you were quieter you would still be if a key role? >>guest: well, speaker boehner's staff have not talked to me. the only talking they have done is to the press off the record and anonymously so i have not heard anything directly from the speaker and, look be it is not about who will compromise or who will work with democrats or who will do what is right for our country is what matters. right now, the kind of things we hear from both the speaker and the president are not what is great for our country. we need were bigger spending cuts, we can talk about taxes but it needs to be part of a larger deal that balances our budget. >>neil: so, congressman, you are not aver
the michigan republican congressman who is here to say what his party shouldn't do. congressman, your fear came on taxes. don't do it. >>guest: given the deals we are talking abouts we should not cave on taxes when the amount of spending cuts over 10 years are a drop in the bucket. >>neil: so, when you lost the committee leadership assignment, did that opposition play into that? did speaker boehner say if you were quieter you would still be if a key role? >>guest: well,...
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you have rain out front and then heavy, blowy snow extending from missouri to michigan. look at this with me. car after car after car. this is why you need to think twice about driving should you be in the path of this storm. this is kansas city. no one going anywhere there. we have reports of at least one death in this chain collision crash. this is i-35 near port dodge, iowa. 30 vehicle, 10 to 12 inches of blowing snow and near zero visibility. say it again. think twice if you have to get out of this and drive. karen is standing by in the weather center, but i want to talk travel. ted, let me go to you. you have this part of the story at o'hare international airport. talk to me about flight cancellations. where are we on that? >> plenty of flight cancellations here, brooke. the main reason is the weather in other cities. you can see here it's still raping and expected to still keep raining for a couple of hours before it turns to snow. when it turns to snow, there is going to be major trouble here. at midway airport, southwest airlines has canceled all of their flights
you have rain out front and then heavy, blowy snow extending from missouri to michigan. look at this with me. car after car after car. this is why you need to think twice about driving should you be in the path of this storm. this is kansas city. no one going anywhere there. we have reports of at least one death in this chain collision crash. this is i-35 near port dodge, iowa. 30 vehicle, 10 to 12 inches of blowing snow and near zero visibility. say it again. think twice if you have to get out...
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for michigan workers. you have hard working people in michigan. this is giving workers choice. >> republicans lost five seats in the michigan legislature last month and democrats accused them of fast tracking the right to work bill through the house and senate in a single day last week to get it done before the new legislature takes office next month. the democratic members of congress tried to pressure legislators not to approve the bill. they were scolded by the state house speaker for pressuring lansing instead of dealing with the fiscal cliff. >> gretchen: wendell goler, thanks very much. >> steve: let's switch down to our nation's capitol and at the bureau, you can see -- >> you guys, doocy and everybody that -- you guys look like you should break out into "i'll be home for christmas" with that set. i mean, boling, come on, you got to chime in. this is unbelievable! ♪ the most wonderful time of the year ♪ ♪ . >> andy williams is rolling over in his grave right now. >> eric: i wore my christmas t
for michigan workers. you have hard working people in michigan. this is giving workers choice. >> republicans lost five seats in the michigan legislature last month and democrats accused them of fast tracking the right to work bill through the house and senate in a single day last week to get it done before the new legislature takes office next month. the democratic members of congress tried to pressure legislators not to approve the bill. they were scolded by the state house speaker for...
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michigan is one of the most heavily unionized states. the republican controlled legislature is expected to take action on the bill. for "cbs this morning," elaine quijano, lancing, michigan. >> they will reveal new details about the plane crash that killed jenny rivera. there are already serious questions about the plane and the man at the controls. >> reporter: remains of the deceased reportedly were removed for analysis monday. investigators scoured the crash site for pieces of the plane, but they will be looking at more than the wreckage according to former ntsb investigator. >> what did the pilots do over the last 72 hours? we're going to be looking at their schedule. were they fatigued. >> the reported ages of the pilot, 78, and his temporary license have come under scrutiny. faa records show the registered owner of the leerjet 25 built in 19 69d is starwood management llc of las vegas. the plane's history is one accident in 2005 when ntsb says the plane suffered substantial damage. >> certainly i'd be looking at the condition of th
michigan is one of the most heavily unionized states. the republican controlled legislature is expected to take action on the bill. for "cbs this morning," elaine quijano, lancing, michigan. >> they will reveal new details about the plane crash that killed jenny rivera. there are already serious questions about the plane and the man at the controls. >> reporter: remains of the deceased reportedly were removed for analysis monday. investigators scoured the crash site for...
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michigan and the auto industry in detroit because of his actions to bail him out. at least she is honest about what they are looking for. they are not honest about the problem. >> bob: pall ryan fleeced left and right. >> dana: you are hilarious. >> greg: i was hoping this was bacon. i thought they were bringing bacon home. i was depressed -- >> kimberly: you like bacon. >> greg: everybody got bacon instead of money it would be a better place. >> eric: leave it there. coming up, three stories that you will not believe the real story behind the shoeless nan the photo that made national headlines. atheists won a battle in the war on christmas taking down charlie brown. nudists in the california go nuts. rights are taken away. ♪ ♪ s from at 6:00 eastern. back to my colleagues with "the five." ♪ ♪ >> kimberly: treb story of the homeless man given boots from cop on cold night in new york city last month? it turns out he is not hom homeless. jeffrey and the nypd officer became internet sensations after a photographer snapped the touching moment between them. the
michigan and the auto industry in detroit because of his actions to bail him out. at least she is honest about what they are looking for. they are not honest about the problem. >> bob: pall ryan fleeced left and right. >> dana: you are hilarious. >> greg: i was hoping this was bacon. i thought they were bringing bacon home. i was depressed -- >> kimberly: you like bacon. >> greg: everybody got bacon instead of money it would be a better place. >> eric: leave...
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we are headed to michigan carry who is shopping and welcome to hsn. --% gary >>caller: hi how are you doing? >>host: wetwisted your are many of the today's special? >>caller: yes i did. i was looking at some of the bigger ones were 400-$600. i like all the options on this and i love your return policy you have >>host: 60 i am doing all my last minute christmas shopping and who once a tassel or to haggle with a are you getting it for yourself >>caller: it is for myself. >>host: even better gary i like that. the $500.600 dollar tablets and they charge you extra for all those extra features and memory right? --$500- are going to have a ball with this. >>caller: i have a desktop and a 17 inch laptop that is a little too big and i think this will be just the right size. >>host: yeah i think so too. he made an excellent choice and thank you for stopping by hsn. we hope you have a great christmas of k? >>caller: a nice merry christmas as well. -- ok >>host: (...) you can play. >>guest: i
we are headed to michigan carry who is shopping and welcome to hsn. --% gary >>caller: hi how are you doing? >>host: wetwisted your are many of the today's special? >>caller: yes i did. i was looking at some of the bigger ones were 400-$600. i like all the options on this and i love your return policy you have >>host: 60 i am doing all my last minute christmas shopping and who once a tassel or to haggle with a are you getting it for yourself >>caller: it is for...
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>> caller: booyah from michigan, jim. >> i'm liking michigan. i'm liking brady from michigan. can you believe he was a walk on? >> caller: today discover said their card use is up, they're hiring folks from more business. is it time to get more of discover? and second one, do you think ebay can squash them and buy them out? >> no, i don't think they'll do that. i do like ebay very much. i actually like discover. but it's mastercard, then ebay, then discover. i was a little surprised it was a little weak but the stock has had a major run. john in california. >> caller: booyah, jim, from the sacramento valley of northern california. >> what's going on? >> caller: anyway, i got -- i noticed some activity in the house building around here back around northern california, sacramento valley. my play is berkshire b. what do you think of that? >> i think it actually made sense. i campaigned for that to be a housing and insurance company stock. i think you're dead on, i think it's a great buy. i think you're getting them pretty cheap if i do say so myself. keep one eye on the paralysis
>> caller: booyah from michigan, jim. >> i'm liking michigan. i'm liking brady from michigan. can you believe he was a walk on? >> caller: today discover said their card use is up, they're hiring folks from more business. is it time to get more of discover? and second one, do you think ebay can squash them and buy them out? >> no, i don't think they'll do that. i do like ebay very much. i actually like discover. but it's mastercard, then ebay, then discover. i was a...